Black_69_FB 49 Report post Posted January 18, 2010 ...Does anyone know where I can buy some paint for the blackout hood treatment? I've searched here & googled, but haven't been able to find anything yet. My paint guy isn't familiar with it, and has asked me to find him some. Thanks - Doug Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fordrevhead 29 Report post Posted January 19, 2010 Sikkens is owned by Akzo Nobel now. It's actually called, Akzo Nobel's Autocryl Rally Black; that should help the search. The data sheet is attached, that will help him with the mix and getting the hardener/activator right. If you lay it to thick it wont look right. good stuff... good luck. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Black_69_FB 49 Report post Posted January 19, 2010 Thank you! That was very helpful. Makes a big difference in a Google search... he will appreciate the pdf also. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Armond 10 Report post Posted January 20, 2010 (edited) I have used sikkens Rally Black for years. It is great stuff. Spray the first two coat med with wide fan at just about 30 pSI with HVLP and back off a few inch's with wide fan a bit faster, it is almost like putting a mist coat on, but will leave a nice texture. If you put it on wet it just does not look right. Good luck! Edited January 20, 2010 by Armond Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Black_69_FB 49 Report post Posted January 26, 2010 Armond, thanks for the reply. And for the pics - that is one beautiful automobile! I appreciate the tips as well. Now if I could only find someplace that sells the paint online, I'd be set. O'Reilly's said they could order it, but my little voice is telling me to be cautious. Here's a link to the product page if anyone feels like looking: http://www.oreillyauto.com/site/c/detail/SIK0/319978.oap?partType=N1971&parentPartType=C0171 The salesperson who I spoke to about it initially could not find it using the product #, but eventually did under "hot rod black", which instilled a little doubt as to whether it was the same thing. Not that I don't trust the auto parts guys, but... better safe than sorry, right? Also there was still the question of hardener and/or reducer. I have ZERO experience with auto paint, so it would be better if I could be 100% confident in what I need before I order. Tracking this stuff down has been like trying to find hen's teeth :) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Armond 10 Report post Posted January 30, 2010 Give them a call, they should be able to send you to a local distributor. Here is their service line. 1-800-618-1010 Also here is a link to the TDS for the paint. http://www.globalsafetynet.com/akzonobel/pdfs/akzo_208_english.pdf Also if you have no luck, if you'd like I can buy it for you. I have not bought some for a while and can't say what the cost is, but if your interested I can get you a total on all the products involved. Good luck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stangme428 33 Report post Posted January 30, 2010 is this a similar paint used on Mercedes? i read somewhere (@#$$ internet) that Mercedes has a paint that is great for the black out treatment but have yet to find a part number.... people complain when they get wax/polish etc on the black out causing problems, but supposedly wax/polish on the Mercedes paint doesn't cause any problems. at most of the car shows now i see the black out treatment that's gloss or with clear-coat over it .... not a flat/satin black Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fordrevhead 29 Report post Posted January 30, 2010 hmmm, try their dealer locator as well http://www.akzonobelcarrefinishes.net/locator.asp Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grabber70Mach 107 Report post Posted January 30, 2010 is this a similar paint used on Mercedes? i read somewhere (@#$$ internet) that Mercedes has a paint that is great for the black out treatment but have yet to find a part number.... people complain when they get wax/polish etc on the black out causing problems, but supposedly wax/polish on the Mercedes paint doesn't cause any problems. at most of the car shows now i see the black out treatment that's gloss or with clear-coat over it .... not a flat/satin black I'm pretty sure the Mercedes paint is: Sherwin Williams Mercedes flat black Ultra 1, U12739 http://photos.mustangsbymike.com/Mach-1-Candy-Apple-Red/DSCF0581 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
relic1864 10 Report post Posted January 30, 2010 There is a Akzo Noble plant right here where I live in Clinton ,MS . If you want I can get you their phone number. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vettist 10 Report post Posted January 30, 2010 (edited) i always use a opel rally black, that is the closest u can get. i used it on mach 1 s, 302 bosses,it is a sikkens product and easy to work with. Edited January 30, 2010 by vettist Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Armond 10 Report post Posted January 30, 2010 Yes you can get wax on the black and it will not bleach out or stain like the old original lacquer will. I am sure there are others like PPG, Dupont and Glasso that have a similar product. Of course I'd wait a few months before I'd let anything get on it like a wax. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stangme428 33 Report post Posted February 1, 2010 great info!!! still the best forum members around!!! thanks all:biggrin: Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Black_69_FB 49 Report post Posted February 1, 2010 Give them a call, they should be able to send you to a local distributor. Here is their service line. 1-800-618-1010 Also here is a link to the TDS for the paint.http://www.globalsafetynet.com/akzonobel/pdfs/akzo_208_english.pdf Also if you have no luck, if you'd like I can buy it for you. I have not bought some for a while and can't say what the cost is, but if your interested I can get you a total on all the products involved. Good luck! Armond, I can't thank you enough for the info & generous offer to help with aquiring the paint. Unfortunately, my painter shot the hood blackout the day before I got ahold of him with the new info. No idea what he used, but if I am not satisfied I know he'll be doing it over :tongue: hmmm, try their dealer locator as well http://www.akzonobelcarrefinishes.net/locator.asp I Tried that last week when doing my initial searches... clicking on the button to find a dealer does nothing, just sits there. Their website was pretty much useless IMO. Thanks anyway though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Black_69_FB 49 Report post Posted February 1, 2010 Give them a call, they should be able to send you to a local distributor. Here is their service line. 1-800-618-1010 Also here is a link to the TDS for the paint.http://www.globalsafetynet.com/akzonobel/pdfs/akzo_208_english.pdf Also if you have no luck, if you'd like I can buy it for you. I have not bought some for a while and can't say what the cost is, but if your interested I can get you a total on all the products involved. Good luck! Armond, I can't thank you enough for the info & generous offer to help with aquiring the paint. Unfortunately, my painter shot the hood blackout the day before I got ahold of him with the new info. No idea what he used, but if I am not satisfied I know he'll be doing it over :tongue: hmmm, try their dealer locator as well http://www.akzonobelcarrefinishes.net/locator.asp I Tried that last week when doing my initial searches... clicking on the button to find a dealer does nothing, just sits there. Their website was pretty much useless IMO. Thanks anyway though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fordrevhead 29 Report post Posted February 2, 2010 I Tried that last week when doing my initial searches... clicking on the button to find a dealer does nothing, just sits there. Their website was pretty much useless IMO. Thanks anyway though. hmm, works for me...distributors in Indiana: A & A MANUFACTURING CO Commercial Account 386 E STATE ROAD 2 VALPARAISO, IN 46383 Altec Industries, Inc Commercial Account 5201 West 84th Street PO Box 681308 Indianapolis, IN 46268 C & D Supply (Mishawaka) Distributor 13192 McKinley Hwy Mishawaka, IN 46545 Phone: (574) 257-3726 General Truck Sales Commercial Account 4300 N. Broadway Muncie, IN 47303 Phone: (765) 289-4481 GOLD SHIELD OF INDIANA Commercial Account 2004 PATTERSON STREET DECATUR, IN 46733 Grinstead (Bloomington) Distributor 1305 1/2 West 11th St Building B Bloomington, IN 47401 Phone: (812) 333-6309 Grinstead (Fort Wayne) Distributor 2240 Research Drive Fort Wayne, IN 46808 Phone: (260) 483-1336 Grinstead (Indianapolis) Distributor 1008 East Sumner Ave. Indianapolis, IN 46227 Phone: (317) 781-2360 Grinstead (Lafayette) Distributor 456 Farabee Drive Lafayette, IN 47905 Phone: (765) 479-0161 Hyman's Auto Supply (Mishawaka) Distributor 13645 Mckinley Hwy Unit E Mishawaka, IN 46545 Phone: (219) 257-8881 McClintock Preferred Finishes (Evansville) Distributor 4912 Temple Ave Evansville, IN 47715 Phone: (812) 422-0098 Medtec Ambulance Commercial Account 2429 Lincolnway East Attn: Dan Hapner Goshen, IN 46526 Phone: (574) 534-2631 Rollie Williams Paint Spot Commercial Account P.O. Box 1385 Elkhart, IN 46515 Phone: 574-264-3174 SIRVA INC Commercial Account PO BOX 12668 ATTN BRUCE THOMPSON FT WAYNE, IN 46864 STEVE REIFF, INC Commercial Account 5650 W 800S SOUTH WHITLEY, IN 46787 TOPEKA GRAPHICS, INC Commercial Account 428 HAWPATCH DRIVE TOPEKA, IN 46571 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fordrevhead 29 Report post Posted February 2, 2010 I Tried that last week when doing my initial searches... clicking on the button to find a dealer does nothing, just sits there. Their website was pretty much useless IMO. Thanks anyway though. hmm, works for me...distributors in Indiana: A & A MANUFACTURING CO Commercial Account 386 E STATE ROAD 2 VALPARAISO, IN 46383 Altec Industries, Inc Commercial Account 5201 West 84th Street PO Box 681308 Indianapolis, IN 46268 C & D Supply (Mishawaka) Distributor 13192 McKinley Hwy Mishawaka, IN 46545 Phone: (574) 257-3726 General Truck Sales Commercial Account 4300 N. Broadway Muncie, IN 47303 Phone: (765) 289-4481 GOLD SHIELD OF INDIANA Commercial Account 2004 PATTERSON STREET DECATUR, IN 46733 Grinstead (Bloomington) Distributor 1305 1/2 West 11th St Building B Bloomington, IN 47401 Phone: (812) 333-6309 Grinstead (Fort Wayne) Distributor 2240 Research Drive Fort Wayne, IN 46808 Phone: (260) 483-1336 Grinstead (Indianapolis) Distributor 1008 East Sumner Ave. Indianapolis, IN 46227 Phone: (317) 781-2360 Grinstead (Lafayette) Distributor 456 Farabee Drive Lafayette, IN 47905 Phone: (765) 479-0161 Hyman's Auto Supply (Mishawaka) Distributor 13645 Mckinley Hwy Unit E Mishawaka, IN 46545 Phone: (219) 257-8881 McClintock Preferred Finishes (Evansville) Distributor 4912 Temple Ave Evansville, IN 47715 Phone: (812) 422-0098 Medtec Ambulance Commercial Account 2429 Lincolnway East Attn: Dan Hapner Goshen, IN 46526 Phone: (574) 534-2631 Rollie Williams Paint Spot Commercial Account P.O. Box 1385 Elkhart, IN 46515 Phone: 574-264-3174 SIRVA INC Commercial Account PO BOX 12668 ATTN BRUCE THOMPSON FT WAYNE, IN 46864 STEVE REIFF, INC Commercial Account 5650 W 800S SOUTH WHITLEY, IN 46787 TOPEKA GRAPHICS, INC Commercial Account 428 HAWPATCH DRIVE TOPEKA, IN 46571 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Raven R code 281 Report post Posted November 17, 2016 Ok....looks like the top 3 pics for flat black......1. Sherwin Williams Mercedes flat black.2. SEMS Hot rod black3. Sikkens flat black.Can we get pictures and opinions/ first hand experience with the durability of each. Personally, I tried KBS (which NPD seems to push a lot). The flat black was beautiful but it scratches with just a light swipe of a fingernail. The next debate will be on engine compartment paint.Dave Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stangnet33 88 Report post Posted November 19, 2016 Helping with a "70 build last year and used the Mercedes black - came out very nice and the owner has expressed how nice it keeps up. The prt # was Shermin/Williams Ultra 1 p/# U-12739. I will be using this on my car. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
