Belt routing after manual steering conversion

[alex 18]

I am going to convert my 351W Mustang to manual steering using a center link, pitman arm and idler arm.  Once I remove all of the power steering components including the steering pump, what options do I have to belt routing for the water pump?  Is there a water pump pulley that places the groove further out to combine the water pump with the alternator belt?

[Rsmach1 71]

Stock for a sbf it should already be routed that way. What year is it, are you using a d/s or p/s water pump, and are you using a stock or aftermarket damper, 3 or 4 bolt pulley.

[alex 18]

The engine code indicates that it is a 1970 351W.  The damper is stock and the pulley is a four bolt.  I am not sure what d/s and p/s mean.

[1969_Mach1 333]

Like Rsmach1 mentioned, stock with or without power steering there is a belt that drives both the water pump and the alternator.  With power steering there is a second belt that drives the water pump and power steering pump.  Removing the power steering pump should not cause an issue for the alternator.  Maybe a previous owner messed around with the pulley setup.

 

There are factory single groove crank and water pump pulleys for cars that did not have power steering or air conditioning.  There are also factory two groove crank and water pump pulleys for cars that had power steering and no air conditioning.

 

For this situation d/s means the lower radiator hose is on the Drivers Side of the car (1970 and newer, which yours should be) and p/s means the lower radiator hose is on the Passenger Side of the car (1969 and older).  Otherwise p/s can also mean power steering.

[alex 18]

Ahh, right, driver's and passenger's side.  I did not follow the correlation between d/s and p/s, and a water pump until it was spelled out.  The water pump outlet is on the driver's side.  

 

The water pump pulley is a single groove while the crank pulley is a triple groove.  In my case, the alternator belt does not drive the the water pump.  The power steering belt drives the water pump.  Perhaps with a double groove water pump pulley the outermost groove would line up with the alternator pulley.

Here is a picture of the pulleys I have.

 

 

[Rsanter 152]

What about move the alternator back to line up with the current water pump pully location

 

Bob

[alex 18]

I measured that possibility however, there is not quite enough clearance behind the alternator.

[shaun071 62]

I think you'll have to replace the w/pump pulley. I had a aingle belt running alt and w/pump. When I fitted p/steering I had to get a different water pump pulley to suit the 2 belt set up.

[1969_Mach1 333]

I think that water pump pulley was supposed to have two grooves.  I haven't seen that belt arrangement on a 351W.

[alex 18]

So the following pulley should do it?

 

http://www.cjponyparts.com/water-pump-pulley-289302351-steel-2-groove-5-3-4o-d-1965-1969/p/WPP1/

 

Is this pulley something that can be found in a junkyard to on various vehicles?

[1969_Mach1 333]

That looks like the correct pulley for a power steering car that also has A/C.  The reason I say also with A/C is because A/C cars had slightly smaller diameter water pump pulleys to speed up the water pump and increase cooling.

 

For situations like yours I tend to go to Perogie Enterprises for used parts.  Other members here know of other sources for used parts but I don't.  Perogie's know these cars very well so you don't need to know exactly what you need.  You can explain the situation to them and I'm sure they can get you the correct used pulley setup.  Since your car also doesn't have the A/C installed they can probably set you up with the correct crank pulley as well.  Ultimately you would have a single groove crank and water pump pulley for your setup.  Double groove pulleys will allow you to reinstall the power steering in the future.

 

For used parts Perogie is a little high but they ship so you're not running around chasing used parts and they are usually helpful when you are uncertain what you need.  Perogie's used parts are cleaned, painted, tested as needed and ready for install.  but I would ask to be sure.  I have bought from them several times and a couple of times they asked if I wanted something ready for install or in an as removed dirty condition.  Perogie often has parts at different condition levels so it doesn't hurt to ask.

 

Here is a link, http://www.perogie.com/perogiemain.htm  Their website is being rebuilt but they tend to be a place you have to call.

[larryc94 38]

If your not running A/C you would need single groove pulleys.  WP C90E-8509-E and Crank DO0E-6312-A  +1 on Perogie they had them and I received them in a couple of days painted ready to install 

[1969_Mach1 333]

larryc94's looks correct.  I'd go that route.  It's clear how shallow the water pump pullet is to line up with the alternator.

[alex 18]

Thanks for narrowing this down in less than 12 hours.  I would have never been able to figure out what exact pulley was needed.  I will start on the forum(s) with a wanted ad and move on from there is needed.

[alex 18]

Larry, is the crank pulley you mentioned necessary or can I just get the water pump pulley and use it with my existing crank pulley which is a three groove pulley?

[larryc94 38]

The crank pulley was necessary on mine, I also had a A/C -P/S crank pulley and interferes with the correct WP pulley for non PS. Unfortunately the correct pulleys are for a 70-73 302-351 which includes a Boss 302. Therefore they are usually listed that way and command $$

 

These pixs are not mine

[Rsmach1 71]

Can also try http://www.cvfracing.com or [url="https://marchperformance.com see if they can help.

[RPM 1,190]

With the cost of going Perogie or even the a/m like CJPony, have you looked into aftermarket aluminum pulleys? I also went manual steering and got a 3 single grove pulley set from CVF for around $135.

[1969_Mach1 333]

RPM, do those aluminum pulley's from CVF underdrive or overdrive the water pump like all of March's pulleys?  Or does CVF offer stock ratio pulleys?  A stock ratio aluminum set might be worth considering.

 

I would imagine a double groove used stock setup is fairly common and would be less expensive than a single groove used stock setup.

[RPM 1,190]

I didn't research too deeply after I found my set up. But I did see they offer stock size and under drive.

[DRASTiK 22]

CVF's pulley packages can come with or without underdrive/overdrive.

 

I just bolted on a pulley setup from them last night.  It's a quality-made product, but my setup required some minor shimming (couple of washers) to get the alternator lined up properly, and some shaving (hand sanding) to open up the hole in the water pump pulley so it wasn't a 'press fit'.  None of those modifications were a big deal at all.

[RPM 1,190]

This thread got some action going in my grey matter. I may enough single pulleys for you, I'll check when I get home. These are 3 hole pulleys, correct?

[69volunteer 84]

I may have some pulleys as well.....several crank but I believe at least 1 or 2 water pump. I ditched mine when I went with aftermarket a/c

[Rsmach1 71]

This thread got some action going in my grey matter. I may enough single pulleys for you, I'll check when I get home. These are 3 hole pulleys, correct?

OP stated 4 bolt.

[RPM 1,190]

OP stated 4 bolt.

 

I'm blind also.

 

Don't know if they'll help, but this is what i've got on hand.