Boozshey 12 Report post Posted June 5, 2012 First I will apologize for wasting your time and I hate making threads like this anywhere, but I am deployed still and can't really just call anyone. So you guys are stuck with me. I have been watching this car on eBay for a little while. Talk with the owner tonight. Though he believe the engine/trans to be true to the car, he said it was a Cleveland... However, all that aside... What should one pay for it as is and what do you think the value would be around once back together, maybe not 100% factory, but close... http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140759944053&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TexasEd 191 Report post Posted June 5, 2012 (edited) 60% of the time people know nothing about the cars except what they think they heard. My dad kept telling me he put a 4 barrel carb in my car and I was holding it in my hands looking at a 2 barrel carb. That said, this guy did take the car apart and the VIN indicates a 351-2V which could be a Cleveland. So I would probably take his word for it since the picture does not show enough detail of the block to determine what it is. If you're serious you could always ask fr better pictures. My opinion is the car is already bid up to what it is worth in it's current state. (About $10,000) If it were assembled and painted I would value it at about $30K. About $8K for painting it gets your down to $22K. Buckeye demon could probably put a better price on the cost to reassemble and get it road worthy but I think 10-12K would be a reasonable range especially if you have to find a place to put everything while it is going back together. Edited June 5, 2012 by TexasEd Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TexasEd 191 Report post Posted June 5, 2012 (edited) And it is missing the front suspension which is about $2K to replace from scratch. No mention on if brakes or front spindles are included so that is a risk too. Edited June 5, 2012 by TexasEd Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boozshey 12 Report post Posted June 5, 2012 Yeah... the car is at a body shop and he said it was redone properly... Are rotisserie restores not worth more? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TexasEd 191 Report post Posted June 5, 2012 If they're put back together and completed. This car is a project no matter how you look at it and if it was done correctly, fully restored in original condition and sold at a Mecum auction it might get $30 Grand as a Mach 1 with 351C 2v. The fact that the listing ended at $9,100 means that is what the market says it is worth. I could see someone going up to $10K but I would want whomever was going to buy it to know what they were getting themselves into. Look at completed listings for 1969 Mustangs on ebay and see what they go for when they are running. Mach 1 - 390/c6 - bids stopped at $33K http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1969-Ford-Mustang-Mach-1-/120915841846?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item1c27255336 Mach 1 351W little rough but complete sold for $21K http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1969-MUSTANG-MACH-351W-/280886222646?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item41661f9f36 Mach 1 351W looks really nice. Bidding stopped at $25K http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1969-FORD-MUSTANG-MACH-1-/221025077283?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item33761f0823 Mach 1 351W in decent shape sold for $16.5K http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120923584057 Go to the project progress forum and look at Buckeye Demon's 408W stroker thread and see how much work he has put into that car and realize you would be starting at close to the same spot he did in that thread. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fordrevhead 29 Report post Posted June 5, 2012 When I buy CIBs (cars in boxes) I offer half of the value of all of the parts NOT including the shell. End of story. Just whats worked for me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grabber70Mach 107 Report post Posted June 6, 2012 That said, this guy did take the car apart and the VIN indicates a 351-2V which could be a Cleveland. :whistling::ohmy::no::no: Clevelands were not available until 70. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ash 145 Report post Posted June 6, 2012 I've watched this one go through auction a few times. I first found it out of interest in the rotisserie as I was making my own. Something for me just doesn't sit right, his feedback is terrible as well. The fact that a car person who restores and works on cars doesn't know the difference between a Cleveland and a Windsor also is just strange. As an overseas buyer, I've purchased twice from the US and for you I'd be going through the same process I did. Get the thing checked out by a third party before making any commitments and especially before handing over any dollars. I know Matt and Sherri at Shermatt are trusted people to deal with, they are Aussies who bring a lot of cars over here for buyers. They inspect and so forth and help you with the sale. They are based in Florida so they may be able to help you quickly. They may even already know the car as it has been for sale for a little while. I don't know them personally, have just seen them a lot on our local forums. http://www.shermatt.com/pages/home/home.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boozshey 12 Report post Posted June 6, 2012 I really appreciate everyone's response. Sometimes when you want something and have that gut instinct that something isn't right, it's better to be talked from the ledge before going any further. I've contacted the seller again. I will see what he has to say... Thanks for the link to shermatt, I will be sure to get in touch with them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ash 145 Report post Posted June 6, 2012 No dramas, good luck with it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RogerC 136 Report post Posted June 6, 2012 There's a picture of the engine covered in plastic in the auction. The view is from the left and the head and valve cover can be seen. It is a cleveland head and valve cover. The cleveland would not be original to the car. Also looks like a spread bore 4 barrel intake. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TexasEd 191 Report post Posted June 6, 2012 (edited) :whistling::ohmy::no::no: Clevelands were not available until 70. I did say 60% of the people out there don't know what they're talking about. :oops: Edited June 6, 2012 by TexasEd Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RogerC 136 Report post Posted June 6, 2012 TexasEd, Were you meaning Grabber is wrong? He's right, 351Cs not available till 70, though its possible a replacement engine could have been installed, depending on 351W & 351C availability at a dealer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TexasEd 191 Report post Posted June 6, 2012 no, I was poking fun at myself. I relied on this page: http://www.vintage-mustang.com/topics/decode/decode.html#engines The asterisk should be moved from the first column after 351-2V to the 70 column and a note for the 69 column Windsor only. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RogerC 136 Report post Posted June 6, 2012 Ok, wasn't sure. I see what you mean. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
