Cantedvalve 128 Report post Posted October 29, 2017 So when I stored the car some 7 years ago, the original headliner was perfect. Not so much anymore. I've got multiple holes, some as small as a button, some larger than a silver dollar. Not sure how any of them got there, but they are there. Probably rodents. So yeah... gonna be in the market for a headliner replacement. My understanding is that you can't truly replace these things without taking out the front and rear glass. That's a non-starter. Maybe the back, as I have a small leak I could fix, but the front isn't coming out. I saw they make solid headliners. Anyone have any experience with those? Supposedly you don't need to take the glass out for them either. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ridge Runner 1,112 Report post Posted October 29, 2017 You dirty rats ...or maybe mice . You can bet there is a big nest somewhere in there Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mach1 Driver 560 Report post Posted October 29, 2017 Mustangs To Fear has nice one piece headliners for both fastbacks and coupes. They have matching sail panels and A pillar trims, and a video. They have the best reviews. If I recall correctly, you don't need to take the windows out. The only down side is that they went to the trouble of putting a light panel in there, but no sunglasses holder. WTH? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aslanefe 333 Report post Posted October 29, 2017 Headliner does not go under the windshield on coupe, just under the back glass weatherstrip. I believe it is same for the fastback,. Headliner is glued to the roof under the metal header in front of the sunvisor. So, if you are going to remove and replace the weatherstrip for back glass to stop the leak, it is the perfect time to replace the headliner. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cantedvalve 128 Report post Posted October 29, 2017 I found their website last night. They offer with and without the overhead console. I think I'd go without. Looks like MTF and TMI are the only players in the market with these solutions, and are nearly 40% different in price. I saw install videos for both, as well as a couple reviews. Installation is very similar. Both look like workable solutions. My concern with TMI is past quality issues with this product (glue not holding, but they say they have it fixed). My concern with MTF is the extra $200 in the price tag. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cantedvalve 128 Report post Posted October 29, 2017 Oh hell, MTF is in Indiana! I might just take a trip over there. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RogerC 136 Report post Posted October 30, 2017 9 hours ago, aslanefe said: Headliner does not go under the windshield on coupe, just under the back glass weatherstrip. I believe it is same for the fastback,. Headliner is glued to the roof under the metal header in front of the sunvisor. So, if you are going to remove and replace the weatherstrip for back glass to stop the leak, it is the perfect time to replace the headliner. There are several on here that beg to differ including me. Every one that I've seen folds around the upper front glass flange. 1 RPM reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ridge Runner 1,112 Report post Posted October 30, 2017 I have one that has never been touched ,i will have to remove the trim and see ,but it does seem like my CJ did wrap over the lip .but with the trim molding you can get away with out wrapping it over the lip Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aslanefe 333 Report post Posted October 30, 2017 2 hours ago, RogerC said: There are several on here that beg to differ including me. Every one that I've seen folds around the upper front glass flange. Pictures below are from my unmolested 69 Grande. Had to remove the left front of the headliner to gain access to fix a small dent on the roof last weekend. My 70 Grande was the same, headliner ended under the trim and did not fold around the lip on the front. Think about it, if you fold the headliner over the lip and now you have to glue the windshield on top of the headliner, the rear is a different story, the gasket holds the glass. Why do we have the metal headliner trim on the front only? I would not wrap it over the lip on the front even though those several beg to differ. It is better to glue the glass to metal instead of putting glued vinyl in between. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RogerC 136 Report post Posted October 30, 2017 All 3 of the 69s and one of my 70s I had apart had it wrapped over the flange. Not saying your case didn't happen just don't think it was the norm. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Floridastang 13 Report post Posted November 2, 2017 I have a TMI one piece in my 69 sport roof. Installed with both front and rear I place. Very pleased with the product Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1969_Mach1 333 Report post Posted November 2, 2017 My headliner wraps around the pinch weld on both the front windshield and back window. I've heard it can be installed without removing the front and rear glass. Some upholstery shops do it. But, without removing the glass there is not much surface to glue the headliner to. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cantedvalve 128 Report post Posted November 2, 2017 Yeah, when the time is right, I am going to go with the one piece. I've got enough feedback from other sources that say that either one (TMI or MTF) will work well. Now it comes down to finish and price. Ive got time to figure it out.... I still have to finish up the current project. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cantedvalve 128 Report post Posted November 3, 2017 So two things... A) my headliner is not under the front glass. It is a good inch away from that edge. I believe my headliner to be original, so I have to say it looks like they did it both ways... maybe based on the factory 2) that $&#%$&# mouse is still in there. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RPM 1,190 Report post Posted November 4, 2017 Very happy with my MTF one piece headliner. Highly recommend it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mustangstofear 608 Report post Posted November 4, 2017 On a 69-70 You would have to remove the backglass if you went back original, with ours nothing is removed. You are correct about a lot of warranty problems with TMI. Their problem from the beginning has always been separating, ours will never do that or ever stain. 1 Grabber70Mach reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cantedvalve 128 Report post Posted November 4, 2017 What is the finish on yours? How do you match the sun visors? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mustangstofear 608 Report post Posted November 4, 2017 Our headliners are ABS with a grain in it that looks like vinyl. If you use the convertible visors that match perfect. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cantedvalve 128 Report post Posted November 5, 2017 Good to know. Thanks for the info. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cantedvalve 128 Report post Posted November 18, 2017 @mustangstofear does your headliner require the removal of the A-pillar trim? If it does, i think it means I have to remove the dash pad. Hopefully not? Alao, you doing any Black Friday deals? ;-) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mustangstofear 608 Report post Posted November 19, 2017 Our headliner does include the A-pillars, and on a 69-70 does require removing the dash pad in order for them to fit. If you wanted to keep your original you could, but the grain would be different. We are having a Christmas sale :) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maynard 0 Report post Posted November 21, 2017 Check this out Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cantedvalve 128 Report post Posted November 21, 2017 Yeah I have seen that video. I suffered through it. I do wonder why MTF went with a sierra grain vs. something that closer matches the rest of the trim (Corinthian maybe)... would it be so we have to buy the trim too? Hmmm? :-) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mustangstofear 608 Report post Posted November 25, 2017 We went with a grain that matches the rest of the factory interior. This is why you need to use convertible sun visors to match the grain. Keep in mind a factory headliner for a coupe or fastback only matches their sun visors. We wanted our headliner to match the rest of the vinyl in the car Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cantedvalve 128 Report post Posted November 26, 2017 But it isn't vinyl covered is it? Just ABS with the grain? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites