302 cam advice

[TV97 10]

Hey guys I need some advice on 69' with a 302 thats all stock. The car belongs to my younger brother who is a fairly new driver. Now that he drives hes been watching me an my dad working on our old pickups and now he wants to do some work to his car as well. He wants a cam for it so it will have a little more power, and he wants it to lope a little to sound cool of course. We're a Mopar family and this is our first Ford in the yard so I dont know much about these engines.

 

Anyway what im asking is what would be a good choice of cam that will do what he wants but that is not to crazy and which would require other stuff like higher compression etc. Hes only 16 so by all means this is not for performance, just a daily driver to school. Thanks in advance for any help!

[beecj0 11]

I've ran this cam on a stock 302 with small headers, stock pistons, and an Edelbrock 600cfm carb. It was a real nice daily driver with a noticeable idle.

It ran a best of 13.2@102 mph in a 3000lbs ride with a stock c4 and 4.11 gears.

[TV97 10]

Thanks for the link. I found this one on Summit that seems pretty mild.

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/sum-4400/overview/make/ford

[MustangChuck 16]

I had been looking at the CompCams Nostalgia+ N+271H (31-670-4). It should give a mild bump in performance with a nice sound.

 

http://www.compcams.com/Company/CC/cam-specs/Details.aspx?csid=811&sb=0

 

I would use it, but it won't work with my roller lifter set up. CompCams recommended

35-324-8 (Xtreme Energy XE270HR) for my setup.

 

Chuck

[barnett468 418]

Thanks for the link. I found this one on Summit that seems pretty mild.

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/sum-4400/overview/make/ford

 

that cam will have as much lope as a wet noodle . . does he have stock intake and exhaust?

 

buy this one.

 

http://www.compcams.com/Company/CC/cam-specs/Details.aspx?csid=798&sb=0

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[barnett468 418]

I had been looking at the CompCams Nostalgia+ N+271H (31-670-4). It should give a mild bump in performance with a nice sound.

 

http://www.compcams.com/Company/CC/cam-specs/Details.aspx?csid=811&sb=0

 

I would use it, but it won't work with my roller lifter set up. CompCams recommended

35-324-8 (Xtreme Energy XE270HR) for my setup.

 

Chuck

 

post your compression, head specs, intake, exhaust type, rear gears, trans.

 

what exactly do you wan it to do?

 

freeway flier?

 

lite to lite drag car?

 

something inbetween?

 

mild, moderate or rough idle?

[TV97 10]

The motor is all stock. Stock intake with 2 barrel. It has true dual exhaust with an x pipe but other than that its all stock. I pretty much am just wanting it to lope at idle. Like I said its for a 16 year old new driver in high school. It wont be used for racing of any kind just to school an back. If possible I would like to keep the compression stock, pretty much just want a nice idle. Most we will do it is an aluminum intake and 4 barrel. I hope thats enough info.

[barnett468 418]

The motor is all stock. Stock intake with 2 barrel. It has true dual exhaust with an x pipe but other than that its all stock. I pretty much am just wanting it to lope at idle. Like I said its for a 16 year old new driver in high school. It wont be used for racing of any kind just to school an back. If possible I would like to keep the compression stock, pretty much just want a nice idle. Most we will do it is an aluminum intake and 4 barrel. I hope thats enough info.

 

you will not get any "lope" until you get up to an xe267h cam and that us way too big. if you want more sound and your muffles are quiet then buy thrush super turbos.

 

you will need springs with the cams below. you should also install screw in rocker studs or the stock press in ones will possibly pull up.

 

 

comp cams xe256h and definitely needs screw in studs.

 

http://www.compcams.com/Company/CC/cam-specs/Details.aspx?csid=798&sb=0

 

 

or this with 3.00 - 3.23 gears

 

http://www.compcams.com/Company/CC/cam-specs/Details.aspx?csid=938&sb=0

 

 

lifters

 

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/crn-99280-16/overview/make/ford

 

 

high quality timing set

 

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/clo-9-1135/overview/make/ford

 

 

edelbrock performer non rpm intake.

 

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/edl-2121/overview/make/ford

 

 

slayer 600 cfm

 

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/qft-sl-600-vsf/overview/

 

 

spacer to reduce vapor lock plus hss pcv fitting.

 

https://www.npdlink.com/store/products/spacer_carburetor_to_intake_manifold_repro-107444-0.html

 

 

you'll need something like these

 

http://www.cjponyparts.com/valve-cover-cast-aluminum-with-polished-fins-cobra-powered-by-ford-pair-289-302-351w/p/VC10/

 

 

and one of these . . call to see what the difference is

 

http://www.cal-mustang.com/COBRA-OVAL-AIR-CLEANER-4V-DUAL-CARB-OPEN-LETTER-NATURAL-FINISH-P29959C978.aspx

 

http://www.cal-mustang.com/COBRA-SINGLE-4V-OVAL-AIR-CLEANER---OPEN-LETTER-NATURAL-FINISH-P9652C5959.aspx

 

 

ho po style . . it will go with the shiny carb and polished fins on the valve covers.

 

http://www.amazon.com/1965-68-Mustang-Hi-Po-Cleaner-Assembly/dp/B0083LC4T8

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Edited November 30, 2014 by barnett468

[beecj0 11]

Thanks for the link. I found this one on Summit that seems pretty mild.

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/sum-4400/overview/make/ford

 

This cam from summit is damn near stock. The one I posted is far from hot, but as stated, it will improve sound and performance while using the stock valve components.

I like my Comp cams, but most of the extreme energy cams will require springs as well. If youre up for a spring swap as well, your options really open up.

[barnett468 418]

the ford racing cam is actually "bigger" than the comp xe256h and will have less bottom end power and less compression . . i wouldn't use that unless the gears were at least 3.23.

Edited November 30, 2014 by barnett468

[beecj0 11]

the ford racing cam is actually "bigger" than the comp xe256h and will have less bottom end power and less compression . . i wouldn't use that unless the gears were at least 3.23.

 

The only reason I'm recommending that cam is that i have ran it with manifolds and 3.25 gears(that I'd bet 10 push ups he has), and it work very well. It also responds well to mods(headers, intake, carbs). The ex256 is slightly less of a cam, but that could be why I said "most". There are hundreds of cams that could work better for him than the one I recommended for him. This is one that I have ran on a stock 302 that did what he is asking it to do. Your cams ar all in the same ballpark. Just throwing a work of cation out, not doggin your information. When he is ready for a lil more, I have a costom grind that got the same motor to 11.82@113mph. With a lil more compression and on pump gas.

[1969_Mach1 333]

I think currently all Ford Racing cams offered for small block Windsor motors are hydraulic roller. Unless there is old stock somewhere, a Ford Racing hydraulic cam for small blocks isn't available.

 

I would suggest talking to whatever cam vendor you prefer. That's a tall order to have a cam with a lopey idle in a low compression stock motor. Don't forget, does the car have A/C, if so, the heater and A/C controls are vacuum operated? Also, does it have power brakes?

[jholmes217 65]

Call Oregon Camshaft and tell Ken what you have and what you want. Ken is a Ford guy, and you usually won't get a Ford guy on the phone at the Comp, Crane, Summit, Jegs, etc. tech lines. Here is the web site. http://www.oregoncamshaft.com/ His lifters are made in the USA, and he can regrind your current cam or use yours as a core. His prices are lower than the big name guys. Give him a call.

If you prefer to use a big name company, try the Comp 268H High Energy. It will have the lumpy idle you want, and will respond well to future changes such as headers, 4V intake and carb, gears, etc. http://www.compperformancegroupstores.com/store/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=CC&Product_Code=31-218-2&Category_Code=SBHFTCHE. You will need to change springs also with this also.

Something else to consider. If this is a stock engine that has never been taken apart, your timing gear may have nylon teeth, which dry out and get brittle and break with age. If you find that when you take the front cover off, I'd replace it with a roller set.

Edited December 1, 2014 by jholmes217

[barnett468 418]

the 268h is too big for this app plus a dual pattern is needed on stock heads due to the poor exhaust to intake flow ratio.

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[1969_Mach1 333]

I agree that a dual pattern cam would be better for the stock small block Ford cylinder head.

[Max Power 74]

Installing a cam where the sole reason to do it is a lope at idle is actually kinda different. You will have to overcam your application if all else remains stock. And as Barnett stated, you run the risk of pulling out rocker studs.

 

A cam is very much a package deal. You have to replace a lot more than just the cam to do it right, and stock heads, 2v carbs etc will not work well at all with the type of cam you would need to get the lope. Besides, having a lopey cam on a car that will be slow doesn't fool anybody in the cool factor department.

[barnett468 418]

yes if a ittle lope as all youre after you could save a lot of inme abd money by simply removing 2 spark plug wires plus it would reduce the performance to a safer level.

[TV97 10]

Thanks for all the insight guys! Very helpful.