holley runing rich all the time

[barnett468 418]

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did you actually drive it with 18 at idle?

 

if so how did it run, better or worse?

 

are you brave enough to remove your points plate so you can advance your mechanical advance?

 

 

ok, you can't run a 2 port vacuum can, you need to buy a standard motor products p/n vc31 at some point.

 

you have enough advance at cruise, therefore, your carb is not rich because of too little timing.

 

we need to see a spark plug and i think we need to correct your timing before you mess with the carb jets because if we give it more advance the little over rich condition you may now have will be reduced.

 

this is what is under the points plate. there are 2 big slots with numbers on them. you want the little arm that is in the lower slot to be in the slot with the highest number. . in the center of the shaft there is a foam piece.

 

remove foam piece.

 

remove thin wire clip.

 

pull up on shaft. this will remove the advance.

 

clean and grease it lightly inside.

 

turn it 180 degrees so the arm is in the slot with the biggest number.

 

reassemble.

 

rotate move plug wires 180 degrees

 

leave your vacuum plugged.

 

set idle timing to 12.

 

give us new timing readings.

 

tell us if engine runs rough at any point.

 

test drive car with vacuum plugged.

 

 

 

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. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The vacuum can you need looks like this.

 

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Edited October 24, 2014 by barnett468

[barnett468 418]

.

 

did you actually drive it with 18 at idle?

 

if so how did it run, better or worse?

 

are you brave enough to remove your points plate so you can advance your mechanical advance?

 

 

ok, you can't run a 2 port vacuum can, you need to buy a standard motor products p/n vc31 at some point.

 

you have enough advance at cruise, therefore, your carb is not rich because of too little timing.

 

we need to see a spark plug and i think we need to correct your timing before you mess with the carb jets because if we give it more advance the little over rich condition you may now have will be reduced.

 

this is what is under the points plate. there are 2 big slots with numbers on them. you want the little arm that is in the lower slot to be in the slot with the highest number. . in the center of the shaft there is a foam piece.

 

remove foam piece.

 

remove thin wire clip.

 

pull up on shaft. this will remove the advance.

 

clean and grease it lightly inside.

 

turn it 180 degrees so the arm is in the slot with the biggest number.

 

reassemble.

 

rotate move plug wires 180 degrees

 

leave your vacuum plugged.

 

set idle timing to 12.

 

give us new timing readings.

 

tell us if engine runs rough at any point.

 

test drive car with vacuum plugged.

 

 

 

. . . . . . . . . . . . .

 

 

 

 

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . The vacuum can you need looks like this.

 

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

.

 

 

.

Edited October 24, 2014 by barnett468

[juit 34]

OK

 

initial 12

 

2k 18

2k 34

 

runs better, no pings and at idle finally a led less on the afr so its not stick un full green

 

should I go 14 idle 700 rpms? or leave it like that?

 

 

vc311 looks wierd and not adjustable has a side port

Edited October 24, 2014 by juit

[juit 34]

OK

 

initial 12

 

2k 18

2k 34

 

runs better, no pings and at idle finally a led less on the afr so its not stick un full green

 

should I go 14 idle 700 rpms? or leave it like that?

 

 

vc311 looks wierd and not adjustable has a side port

Edited October 24, 2014 by juit

[juit 34]

the sparks are like well cooked brownish marshmallow color, Ill clean one and put it back again when the car cools down

[juit 34]

the sparks are like well cooked brownish marshmallow color, Ill clean one and put it back again when the car cools down

[barnett468 418]

ok, i added more to my post. i will find the borg warner number. the standard motors vc31 is correct.

 

i want you to put your advance in the big slot.,

[barnett468 418]

ok, i added more to my post. i will find the borg warner number. the standard motors vc31 is correct.

 

i want you to put your advance in the big slot.,

[barnett468 418]

ok the engine is slightly rich but more advance will lean it out a bit.

[barnett468 418]

ok the engine is slightly rich but more advance will lean it out a bit.

[juit 34]

I cant rotat plug wires because they are custom cut

 

10 L is in slot

15 l in back

[juit 34]

I cant rotat plug wires because they are custom cut

 

10 L is in slot

15 l in back

[barnett468 418]

I cant rotat plug wires because they are custom cut

 

10 L is in slot

15 l in back

 

ok back in a minute

[barnett468 418]

I cant rotat plug wires because they are custom cut

 

10 L is in slot

15 l in back

 

ok back in a minute

[juit 34]

1 has a thiker spring than the other

[juit 34]

1 has a thiker spring than the other

[barnett468 418]

of you want to fix it. you need to do the following.

 

unbolt distributor.

 

mark the distributor body where the rotor tip points.

 

mark the body exactly where the back of the rotor points. this will be 180 degrees.

 

lift it up around 1 1/2".

 

as you lift it the rotor will rotate slightly due to the shape of the gear so as you install it, it will rotate slightly also.

 

now, rotate the rotor exactly 180 degrees from where it is now and reinsyall it.

 

as the distributor drops down the rotor will rotate and end ip lining up with the mark you put on the distributor body.

 

rotate the vody so it points in the same direction it was before removal.

 

now, rotate the advance unit 180 degrees.

 

set timing to 12.

 

leave vacuum advamnvce off.

 

 

rotate the rotir ex

[barnett468 418]

of you want to fix it. you need to do the following.

 

unbolt distributor.

 

mark the distributor body where the rotor tip points.

 

mark the body exactly where the back of the rotor points. this will be 180 degrees.

 

lift it up around 1 1/2".

 

as you lift it the rotor will rotate slightly due to the shape of the gear so as you install it, it will rotate slightly also.

 

now, rotate the rotor exactly 180 degrees from where it is now and reinsyall it.

 

as the distributor drops down the rotor will rotate and end ip lining up with the mark you put on the distributor body.

 

rotate the vody so it points in the same direction it was before removal.

 

now, rotate the advance unit 180 degrees.

 

set timing to 12.

 

leave vacuum advamnvce off.

 

 

rotate the rotir ex

[barnett468 418]

1 has a thiker spring than the other

 

yes good observation

 

one is also slightly loose don't mess with them.

[barnett468 418]

1 has a thiker spring than the other

 

yes good observation

 

one is also slightly loose don't mess with them.

[juit 34]

but the canister will be rotated? because the can will be looking towards the carb

[juit 34]

but the canister will be rotated? because the can will be looking towards the carb

[barnett468 418]

no, no, no. do not rotate the body, rotate the rotor once the distributor is lifted up 1 1/2".

 

your vac adv will still point exactly where it does now.

 

this is easy, just read my directions one line at a time very carefully. you're almost there

 

your car will haul a_s... and you will have more green lites when we are done.

 

this is why i make the big bucks [i wish], lol.

Edited October 24, 2014 by barnett468

[barnett468 418]

no, no, no. do not rotate the body, rotate the rotor once the distributor is lifted up 1 1/2".

 

your vac adv will still point exactly where it does now.

 

this is easy, just read my directions one line at a time very carefully. you're almost there

 

your car will haul a_s... and you will have more green lites when we are done.

 

this is why i make the big bucks [i wish], lol.

Edited October 24, 2014 by barnett468

[barnett468 418]

once your distributor is back in, pull a few plug wires off, have someone turn the engine over while you set the timing to 10 - 14. if no one is there you can jump the solenoid with a screw driver and check the timing.

 

reconnect wires after timing is close then start engine and finish setting timing.

 

do not use the vacuum adv, bad things might happen.

 

after we are all done and you get a new vac can, we will set it up so it will be connected to ported vac and it will add a total of around 10 degrees.

 

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Edited October 24, 2014 by barnett468