Fantastic 57 Report post Posted December 11, 2014 (edited) This is a beautiful build. I wonder about the economics of the built though. I see more than $17k of parts and labor that was conducted with considerable project risk. I quote $17k as the cost of a Dynacorn replacement body which would get you to the same point. Can you break down the value fo the car prior to starting the project, the cost of parts used, materials used, and the number of hours invested in labour and the skill set of that labour? I would like to see an indication of these such that some random person finding this online would consider what they are getting into before they buy a "cheap" car and they think they can restore it. There is a car advertised near me which would require at least this level of repair. The owner thinks the car is worth $10k and that the restoration would only cost a few grand. He thinks the car would be worth $20k if $5k was invested, thus justifying his $10k asking price. I think he is delusional and that the work would cost $40k with the car being worth $20k at the end, making it now worth... less. Edited December 11, 2014 by Fantastic Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rusty428cj 14 Report post Posted December 12, 2014 Fender apron to cowl extension welded in place After Brian grinds the welds Welding wheelhouse in place Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stock 87 12 Report post Posted December 15, 2014 This is a beautiful build. I wonder about the economics of the built though. I see more than $17k of parts and labor that was conducted with considerable project risk. I quote $17k as the cost of a Dynacorn replacement body which would get you to the same point.Can you break down the value fo the car prior to starting the project, the cost of parts used, materials used, and the number of hours invested in labour and the skill set of that. You obviously don't understand. You will never get what you put into a car out of it. These things are done for the pure joy, love and passion of it. If you start questioning the economics of it, your in the wrong hobby. The car that's being restored is an actual 1969 mustang. It has a lot of replacement parts but still retains the heart and soul of a Ford mustang. As far as I'm concerned a Dynacorn body is just a bunch of sheet metal that "looks" like a mustang. I'm sure some will disagree with me... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stock 87 12 Report post Posted December 15, 2014 This is a beautiful build. I wonder about the economics of the built though. I see more than $17k of parts and labor that was conducted with considerable project risk. I quote $17k as the cost of a Dynacorn replacement body which would get you to the same point.Can you break down the value fo the car prior to starting the project, the cost of parts used, materials used, and the number of hours invested in labour and the skill set of that. You obviously don't understand. You will never get what you put into a car out of it. These things are done for the pure joy, love and passion of it. If you start questioning the economics of it, your in the wrong hobby. The car that's being restored is an actual 1969 mustang. It has a lot of replacement parts but still retains the heart and soul of a Ford mustang. As far as I'm concerned a Dynacorn body is just a bunch of sheet metal that "looks" like a mustang. I'm sure some will disagree with me... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SWPruett 83 Report post Posted December 16, 2014 You obviously don't understand. You will never get what you put into a car out of it. These things are done for the pure joy, love and passion of it. If you start questioning the economics of it, your in the wrong hobby. The car that's being restored is an actual 1969 mustang. It has a lot of replacement parts but still retains the heart and soul of a Ford mustang. As far as I'm concerned a Dynacorn body is just a bunch of sheet metal that "looks" like a mustang. I'm sure some will disagree with me... I think the concern and question was totally relevant. Yes, it's a "real" '69 Mustang, but it's pretty much "just" a Mustang by the same token. Unless it is wrapped in sentimental value (which is a perfectly good reason) or has an especially outstanding pedigree (which it does not), this extent of a build like this gets very dodgy to justify. Once you are this deep in a build, it starts to look like an exercise is "just-because-we-can" and, for some, that's fine too. Every resto and/or custom shop faces this scenario at one time or another and I only hope that the owner understood the full menu of build options and the full scope of the implications of getting this deep in a car or there will be an awful hateful taste left in his/her mouth by the time it's all over and nobody needs that. It's a very fine line between building up a tub starting with a (Ford-Licensed) Dynacorn replacement body and building one from Dynacorn bits & pieces to be the same thing. All potential legal intricacies aside, the biggest variable is HUGE labor dollars that are very hard to pin down at the beginning of such a project. Scary stuff. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SWPruett 83 Report post Posted December 16, 2014 You obviously don't understand. You will never get what you put into a car out of it. These things are done for the pure joy, love and passion of it. If you start questioning the economics of it, your in the wrong hobby. The car that's being restored is an actual 1969 mustang. It has a lot of replacement parts but still retains the heart and soul of a Ford mustang. As far as I'm concerned a Dynacorn body is just a bunch of sheet metal that "looks" like a mustang. I'm sure some will disagree with me... I think the concern and question was totally relevant. Yes, it's a "real" '69 Mustang, but it's pretty much "just" a Mustang by the same token. Unless it is wrapped in sentimental value (which is a perfectly good reason) or has an especially outstanding pedigree (which it does not), this extent of a build like this gets very dodgy to justify. Once you are this deep in a build, it starts to look like an exercise is "just-because-we-can" and, for some, that's fine too. Every resto and/or custom shop faces this scenario at one time or another and I only hope that the owner understood the full menu of build options and the full scope of the implications of getting this deep in a car or there will be an awful hateful taste left in his/her mouth by the time it's all over and nobody needs that. It's a very fine line between building up a tub starting with a (Ford-Licensed) Dynacorn replacement body and building one from Dynacorn bits & pieces to be the same thing. All potential legal intricacies aside, the biggest variable is HUGE labor dollars that are very hard to pin down at the beginning of such a project. Scary stuff. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fantastic 57 Report post Posted December 16, 2014 (edited) You obviously don't understand. You will never get what you put into a car out of it. These things are done for the pure joy, love and passion of it. If you start questioning the economics of it, your in the wrong hobby. The car that's being restored is an actual 1969 mustang. It has a lot of replacement parts but still retains the heart and soul of a Ford mustang. As far as I'm concerned a Dynacorn body is just a bunch of sheet metal that "looks" like a mustang. I'm sure some will disagree with me... I think I understand quite well. I built a '69 fastback body that started off in as bad condition as this and I did it so that I could build one rather than buy one. Perhaps YOU don't understand. This site is often read by people who have not done this and are thinking about it. I would like those people to know more about what they are getting into. I think if I had know how much it was going to cost I might have reconsidered. I think if I had known what to look for, I might have started with a different car for the project. Too many people think they can buy a cheap car and invest some sweat equity which will pay off in a beautiful car at the end. Those days are over. So... the very relevant questions to assist the readers of this forum. What did you (the reader) estimate the value of the car at the beginning of the project based on those photos posted? $5k? $10k? How many hours do you think have been invested in this project to get a top quality body like this? Do you have those skills? If not, how much will it cost to hire someone who does? What do you think the value of the parts and materials has been so far to get this car to this point? If you add up all of those estimates, I suspect you are far off the actual price tag. Now... regardless of why you do this, your time and effort and skill is still worth money. Sure you love it. I am not saying you don't. What I am saying is that the base car that was used to start the project may have been overvalued because buyers and sellers of project cars undervalue the cost of that time and effort, and certainly the cost of the parts and materials. This is a great hobby. Is it only for the rich guys? I hope not. I had a chat with a friend last night. He was disheartened because he bought a project car that turned out to be beyond his skills and he ended up loosing a lot of money. He bought another project car and is sinking everything he has into his dream of owning a '69 Mustang. In support of that dream he reads build threads like this one. He thinks he can do it. I hope he can. I think it would be socially concious to support him and readers like him by divulging and discussing the cost of a project like this. If you say the cost doesn't matter, then you are wrong. Cost always matters and should be part of the discussion. If you think that I 'obviously' don't understand, then read this all again and think about it. Edited December 16, 2014 by Fantastic Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fantastic 57 Report post Posted December 16, 2014 (edited) You obviously don't understand. You will never get what you put into a car out of it. These things are done for the pure joy, love and passion of it. If you start questioning the economics of it, your in the wrong hobby. The car that's being restored is an actual 1969 mustang. It has a lot of replacement parts but still retains the heart and soul of a Ford mustang. As far as I'm concerned a Dynacorn body is just a bunch of sheet metal that "looks" like a mustang. I'm sure some will disagree with me... I think I understand quite well. I built a '69 fastback body that started off in as bad condition as this and I did it so that I could build one rather than buy one. Perhaps YOU don't understand. This site is often read by people who have not done this and are thinking about it. I would like those people to know more about what they are getting into. I think if I had know how much it was going to cost I might have reconsidered. I think if I had known what to look for, I might have started with a different car for the project. Too many people think they can buy a cheap car and invest some sweat equity which will pay off in a beautiful car at the end. Those days are over. So... the very relevant questions to assist the readers of this forum. What did you (the reader) estimate the value of the car at the beginning of the project based on those photos posted? $5k? $10k? How many hours do you think have been invested in this project to get a top quality body like this? Do you have those skills? If not, how much will it cost to hire someone who does? What do you think the value of the parts and materials has been so far to get this car to this point? If you add up all of those estimates, I suspect you are far off the actual price tag. Now... regardless of why you do this, your time and effort and skill is still worth money. Sure you love it. I am not saying you don't. What I am saying is that the base car that was used to start the project may have been overvalued because buyers and sellers of project cars undervalue the cost of that time and effort, and certainly the cost of the parts and materials. This is a great hobby. Is it only for the rich guys? I hope not. I had a chat with a friend last night. He was disheartened because he bought a project car that turned out to be beyond his skills and he ended up loosing a lot of money. He bought another project car and is sinking everything he has into his dream of owning a '69 Mustang. In support of that dream he reads build threads like this one. He thinks he can do it. I hope he can. I think it would be socially concious to support him and readers like him by divulging and discussing the cost of a project like this. If you say the cost doesn't matter, then you are wrong. Cost always matters and should be part of the discussion. If you think that I 'obviously' don't understand, then read this all again and think about it. Edited December 16, 2014 by Fantastic Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MikeStang 247 Report post Posted December 16, 2014 Holy rusted metal Batman Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MikeStang 247 Report post Posted December 16, 2014 Holy rusted metal Batman Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rusty428cj 14 Report post Posted December 16, 2014 Both rockers panels had a little rust at the back. On the left side Brian cut out the damaged area and started welding in a patch from a new outer rocker. It was easier to do it in two pieces The rust wasn't as bad on the right side Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rusty428cj 14 Report post Posted December 16, 2014 Both rockers panels had a little rust at the back. On the left side Brian cut out the damaged area and started welding in a patch from a new outer rocker. It was easier to do it in two pieces The rust wasn't as bad on the right side Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SM69Mach 68 Report post Posted December 16, 2014 Nice Patch work!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SM69Mach 68 Report post Posted December 16, 2014 Nice Patch work!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RPM 1,190 Report post Posted December 16, 2014 Looks good, you blokes don't muck around. Well, some of us muck around. Others like Rusty are top shelf craftsmen. Bob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RPM 1,190 Report post Posted December 16, 2014 Looks good, you blokes don't muck around. Well, some of us muck around. Others like Rusty are top shelf craftsmen. Bob 4 Victorkath, JosephPa, Andrewpync and 1 other reacted to this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rusty428cj 14 Report post Posted December 18, 2014 Brian is starting to weld the quarters on. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fantastic 57 Report post Posted December 18, 2014 Rusty, you truly rock. In this world of quick and shady, it is great to see that someone knows how to do it right and is willing to actually do it. Your build photos are pure gold. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rusty428cj 14 Report post Posted December 19, 2014 Brian is welding the trunk dropoffs to the quarter panels and he should be finished welding on the body. Next week it will be coming off the jig and going on a cart. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snookman35 10 Report post Posted December 23, 2014 very nice subcribed Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rusty428cj 14 Report post Posted December 24, 2014 All the major welding is finished time to take it off the jig and back on the cart Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cobra3073 24 Report post Posted December 24, 2014 Looking GOOD, indeed! BT Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rusty428cj 14 Report post Posted January 3, 2015 Sprayed primer before the patch is welded in place The welds were ground down and filled with duraglass The new sheetmetal that had not been epoxy primed before was sanded to bare metal Two coats of SPI red oxide epoxy primer. It is darker than the photos Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rusty428cj 14 Report post Posted January 3, 2015 Outside this is the color of the red oxide epoxy not how it looks in the booth with all the lights. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TexasEd 188 Report post Posted January 6, 2015 In primer that car has better paint than mine. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
